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factotvm 2 days ago [-]
I love that this is open source, thank you. I'm not a fan of TypeScript on Node for this solution space. For a payment gateway, I'd want a program that can't modify itself from external sources. Programs in this runtime can rewrite themselves while running, and the Dockerfile doesn't lock it down. So as it stands, nothing at the runtime level prevents prototype pollution. And a config defect is the kind of bug that keeps on giving.
bradknowles 2 days ago [-]
This isn’t really a new problem. Back in 1995, I was the Sr. Internet Mail Administrator at AOL. We were doing everything we could to fight the spammers.
We found that we would work on a new technique over a period of weeks or months, and then they would find a way to work around our technique in a single weekend.
Rinse and repeat.
The only thing that has changed is that the market for scammers has moved, and they’ve gotten a lot better and faster at adapting to your protection techniques.
citguru 2 days ago [-]
True, but still a big issue today
edude03 2 days ago [-]
Not something I need but super cool that this is both open source and shows the realtime flow.
tehsurf 2 days ago [-]
Thanks for showing Keiros! This looks very promising!
Could you explain how "System One" differs from the traditional, rule based, approach? Sticking to your example: How would the question 'Is this a throwaway email?' be translated into Kairos business logic?
When using the MCP Server: How does Claude develop such models, e.g. feature engineering? Is this an MLOps pipeline behind an MCP?
Actually while similar to Jev and uses the popularized architecture by Jev, Kairos uses an underlying model called Grayson trained by Finic but for Fraud. You can check it out - https://finic.ai/
Referring to "decisioning", which is unfortunately a real term in this space.
Don't get me started on people who use "decision on" to mean "enforce a decision" (i.e. by blocking an action)
wuemeli 2 days ago [-]
Why would you ask a decision model if an email is disposable? There is so much more behind that than the looks of the email. This just seems like yet another video-coded anti-fraud thingi.
citguru 2 days ago [-]
Not just that. You could ask any more complex questions. Thats just an easy example
hemankgurram 2 days ago [-]
yea its disposable if you want it that wayyy
garageguideapp 2 days ago [-]
Can you do anything about Debbie in HR clicking links?
citguru 2 days ago [-]
Debbie, probably needs more email training
octoberfranklin 2 days ago [-]
Is anybody else annoyed by made-up words like "decisioning" and "proofing"?
You can't slap "ing" on a noun. It's for verbs. Stop nouning.
marcus_holmes 2 days ago [-]
Language is what people use to communicate, not what's written in the books. It's fluid, and adapts to requirements as the requirements change.
Would it be better if they invented a completely new word, with no clue as to what it means, rather than adapt an existing language structure to their purpose, which everyone understands immediately (even if they get grumpy at it)?
octoberfranklin 1 days ago [-]
That's the mindset that led to Ebonics.
How'd that work out?
marcus_holmes 1 days ago [-]
I'd never heard of it before. So I read the Wikipedia page on it.
From that, I think the main problem is defining AAE (or Ebonics which appears to be a synonym) as a different language. AAE is probably more understandable to the average English speaker than the dialect of NE England [0].
So, to answer your question: I think that the term Ebonics didn't really work out, but otherwise it's going OK. There are multiple different dialects of English, of which AAE (Ebonics) is one, and they all use different words, not all of those words are in the dictionary or used in the manner that the OP is talking about, and they are all English.
Pick any ancient greek word and you'll probably find at least a handful of collisions.
citguru 2 days ago [-]
There will always be projects that share the same name. You can do quick search on Github: https://github.com/search?q=kairos&type=repositories. However it does not change the significance of what each project is building and the problem they sought to solve.
2 days ago [-]
giwook 2 days ago [-]
and...?
Joel_Mckay 2 days ago [-]
In general, the community tries to avoid/mitigate project naming confusion. It is usually a gentleman's agreement, but sometimes may get nasty with trademarks/copyrights (example: Arduino.)
If you are not associated with a core decision team, it is considered nice to avoid confusing the public. In my opinion, gleaning donations is just theft. =3
rytill 2 days ago [-]
"The community" of every single person that works on software and names things? For which you can speak?
Joel_Mckay 2 days ago [-]
In general, traditionally there are underappreciated curators that take on the role of keeping a named package or program consistent, and may go though a personal validation process with a OS build organization to provide a chain of accountability for the user-base.
The amount of abuse these people endure from general users is a classic rerun. =3
gnabgib 2 days ago [-]
Oh that community! Yeah we banned Joel_Mckay for speaking for us
Joel_Mckay 2 days ago [-]
I wish I had more time to participate in FOSS these days, as there is a backlog of projects I'd like to get done.
Now mostly focused on rather boring small stuff... like sub-micron boring... Have a wonderful day =3
marcus_holmes 2 days ago [-]
"we"?
Joel_Mckay 2 days ago [-]
Are you asking a bad comedian to explain their joke?
My only active FOSS project right now is a unpublished 3D volumetric slicer for a home metal printer that won't be public for another 2 to 3 years for various trade reasons. I code mostly for fun these days, and the dude doesn't sound like fun to work around. =3
I have no FOSS projects, I'm not sure I entirely agree with it all, there's an element of "getting developers to create free stuff for corporations". I notice there are no "FOSS" architecture plans, or any other professional output. But I digress. Good for you :)
Joel_Mckay 1 days ago [-]
It is a personal choice to share commercially non-viable works under Apache 2.0, but I agree FOSS won't normally pay the bills.
One can't do a OSS project expecting other people to give a toss, but rather it solves a niche issue you and 5 other hobbyists encountered. =3
We found that we would work on a new technique over a period of weeks or months, and then they would find a way to work around our technique in a single weekend.
Rinse and repeat.
The only thing that has changed is that the market for scammers has moved, and they’ve gotten a lot better and faster at adapting to your protection techniques.
Could you explain how "System One" differs from the traditional, rule based, approach? Sticking to your example: How would the question 'Is this a throwaway email?' be translated into Kairos business logic?
When using the MCP Server: How does Claude develop such models, e.g. feature engineering? Is this an MLOps pipeline behind an MCP?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49610571
Don't get me started on people who use "decision on" to mean "enforce a decision" (i.e. by blocking an action)
You can't slap "ing" on a noun. It's for verbs. Stop nouning.
Would it be better if they invented a completely new word, with no clue as to what it means, rather than adapt an existing language structure to their purpose, which everyone understands immediately (even if they get grumpy at it)?
How'd that work out?
From that, I think the main problem is defining AAE (or Ebonics which appears to be a synonym) as a different language. AAE is probably more understandable to the average English speaker than the dialect of NE England [0].
So, to answer your question: I think that the term Ebonics didn't really work out, but otherwise it's going OK. There are multiple different dialects of English, of which AAE (Ebonics) is one, and they all use different words, not all of those words are in the dictionary or used in the manner that the OP is talking about, and they are all English.
How do you think it worked out?
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geordie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebonics_(word)
https://kairos.io/
And an AI safety organization: https://kairos-project.org/
And a DARPA program: https://www.darpa.mil/research/programs/knowledge-directed-a...
Pick any ancient greek word and you'll probably find at least a handful of collisions.
If you are not associated with a core decision team, it is considered nice to avoid confusing the public. In my opinion, gleaning donations is just theft. =3
The amount of abuse these people endure from general users is a classic rerun. =3
Now mostly focused on rather boring small stuff... like sub-micron boring... Have a wonderful day =3
My only active FOSS project right now is a unpublished 3D volumetric slicer for a home metal printer that won't be public for another 2 to 3 years for various trade reasons. I code mostly for fun these days, and the dude doesn't sound like fun to work around. =3
I have no FOSS projects, I'm not sure I entirely agree with it all, there's an element of "getting developers to create free stuff for corporations". I notice there are no "FOSS" architecture plans, or any other professional output. But I digress. Good for you :)
One can't do a OSS project expecting other people to give a toss, but rather it solves a niche issue you and 5 other hobbyists encountered. =3